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Thank you so much for your extremely well-thought-out and well-written analysis of this most critical period of our long-covered up history!

I wrote a book about this, Before War, which your friend Gunnar is listening to, and pointed me your way. Firstly, I agree that nothing in life is oversimplistic and black and white, hence I avoid using the words "good" vs "bad" .. but .. if we *were* to for the sake of argument .. isn't it unequivocally true that war, inequality and oppression of women and animals, which as you say result from patriarchy, are "bad"? Really bad, if you're on the receiving end? could we not therefore agree that matrilineal egalitarianism of the Paleolithic and Neolithic were, well, comparatively speaking, "good"?

Second, I notice an accidental deletion at the phrase "one place, matrlineality also" and I would love to know what you were going to say!

I for one am skeptical about the hard evidence for Neolithic king sacrifice, or human sacrifice in general. Is Frazier the root source of this idea? If so it's quite old before rigorous academic evidence. I've never seen archaelogical evidence for it in the Neolithic, first I've seen is in late Minoan times during the cataclysm crisis. It could possibly be a patriarchally-introduced idea that became a part of later matrilineal holdout societies the same way that social inequality did. I've really looked around for this as so many people seem quite confident that human sacrifice was an ancient custom in goddess cultures. Of course we see it in much later Iron Age Celtic societies with a strong connection to ancient animism, and has come down to us in mythology, but we can't project that backwards thousands of years with confidence.

I'd like to clarify the passage about the creation of "trade", given that, in the strict meaning of that word, trade was huge during the Neolithic, at very long distances. The difference that happened during patriarchy, as you point out, was that now it was for personal hoards of important families, rather than for sacred or beautiful items for all.

The other thing I would be so eager to see more evidence for was for male roles during the Neolithic. There is no reason at all to assume a male role in politics. The earliest clues we have, Minoan art, show women in leadership positions, while men are depicted mostly naked and worshipful of the women. Even for construction, there are matrilineal groups in which women exclusively take care of this, though my gut instinct is that this has more often in more cultures been a male role for good reasons. The metallurgy thing though, has been a huge mystery I have spent countless hours pouring over dusty volumes for a clue to. It's clear from the artistic evidence that women were solely associated with weaving, ceramics, and priestessing. But I have never been able to find anything about the origins of metallurgy. It's shrouded in mystery! It's never depicted in art! I'm fascinated if you have seen anything on this and something to link it to men. It would make sense for men to do it, since it was probably toxic to fetuses. It would also make sense for men to be the herders, since larger size and strength helps with larger animals, and since men were associated in ancient art with animals, but I haven't seen any direct evidence for it.

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